When is a dive not a dive? – A handy guide

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October 8, 2012

So the story of the weekend appears to be Luis Suarez’s dive against Stoke with the objectionable Tony Pulis demanding that the FA take action against the objectionable little Uruguayan.

I haven’t seen the incident. But that’s mainly because my time has been pretty scarce what with all of the other diving incidents I’ve had to watch this weekend. But none of them seem to have made the back pages. So I’m left with the question: when is a dive not a dive?

Well, I haven’t quite finished preparing my graphs and pie charts but it seems to me like there’s a fairly simple trend emerging. Essentially the severity of a dive = distance between diver’s foot and tackler’s foot multiplied by distance between incident and diver’s place of birth.

Let’s look at a couple of examples. So for Suarez distance between diver and opponents is by all accounts about one and a half feet. Not too bad. But the distance between the incident (Liverpool) and the diver’s place of birth (Salto, Uruguay) is about 6,900 miles. Multiply the two together and you have a very serious 10, 350 on the cheaty divey scale. Certainly enough to warrant a week’s worth of backpage splashes.

Okay, let’s look at another one. How about Gervinho on Mark Noble from Saturday’s game at West Ham? At first glance you might think this was a terrible dive. There was no contact at all between the two players and Noble went down in about four separate stages. So why no furore? Well let’s look at the numbers. Distance from opponent is about one foot. Not a good start from young Noble. It looks like he could be in some trouble. But hang on. What about distance from place of birth? Well a quick Google reveals that he was born in…Canning Town, East London so that figure is essentially zero. Zero times one is of course zero so the rules state that wasn’t a dive at all. It was a terrible foul by Gervinho and he deserved to pick up that booking. Had he scored later on and run over towards the crowd no doubt he would have been sent off. Rightly so.

What about Gareth Bale against Aston Villa yesterday? He was about two feet away from Brad Guzan when he flopped to the ground like a monkey having a tantrum so that could be a pretty serious one you might think. But wait a sec. London’s only 250 miles from Cardiff so that gives him a cheaty divey score of 500. Enough to register as a dive at least but it’s a different kind of dive. It’s one of those that if you’re presenting Match of the Day for example you just snigger about and shrug your shoulders and make some sort of comment about how every good professional will look to find an advantage for their team. It’s just part of the game.

Hope the scale clears up any confusion you might have. I know this can be a tricky part of the game to navigate and I only hope that this helps. Feel free to try it for yourself and keep me updated with your results.

With another international break now upon us it’s time to say goodbye to some of our heroes and sit tight and pray for their safe return. Paramount in our thoughts will be one Santiago Cazorla who Arsene Wenger has been happily banging on about to anyone that will listen:

 He is right-footed but, when you watch him play, you don’t know that. We had Glenn Hoddle and he was like that – left, right, you could not say which was strongest and Cazorla, on that front, is similar. I don’t remember anyone else I have worked with who was as much as that two-footed. Cazorla makes everybody [he plays with] a better player.

I think that’s the first time we’ve had official confirmation that he is in fact right footed. Which makes that finish on Saturday all the more extraordinary. I talked a bit yesterday about defenders not knowing if he’s going to shoot or thread a pass through for one of the strikers and the ambidexterity is yet more reason for them to panic. Do they show him onto his right or his left? Either way they know he can embarrass them.

It all makes him so well suited to that central role that it’s a wonder he came to the club with a reputation as a winger. Even from wide areas he’d scored more goals last season than anyone else in Europe from outside the box. Playing centrally I’d only expect that to improve as he’ll get many more chances. Hopefully the goal at the weekend can open the floodgates for him.

 Right. I’m off to run more tests on my diving theory. Now, Eduardo was born in Croatia, right? Ooh! No! Rio de Janeiro!! Not looking good for him.

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17 Responses to “When is a dive not a dive? – A handy guide”

  1. Dick Swiveller on October 8th, 2012 10:18 am

    Sheer genius. I shall be applying this scale to everything in future.

    Does it work for bad fouls as well? Given that Scholes was born pretty close to Manchester it could explain a lot.

  2. Harry Barracuda on October 8th, 2012 10:23 am

    You have to love Pulis calling out an opponent for cheating when his dirty anti-football scum racked up six yellows cards, which should have been a lot more if the witless ref had done his job properly.

  3. Mike on October 8th, 2012 10:29 am

    would have to be divisable if carried out by manu player…which on any calculation would bring down to zero!

  4. Deromenempire on October 8th, 2012 11:04 am

    The important figure that you so carelessly omitted was the “chew-factor.” The figure that you arrived at has to be divided by the total number of chews by the guilty players manager during the whole 90 minutes (plus injury time). This can considerably lower the number of points, and in the case of Manchester United and West Ham can actually erase the offence completely. I hope this helps to clear things up.

  5. Chris on October 8th, 2012 11:08 am

    Excellent – I had never realized this simple relationship between distance and dive!

  6. Dan T on October 8th, 2012 11:13 am

    Although I fully agree with the scale, I don’t think anybody can disagree that suarez is one of the worst culprits in the EPL for diving.
    I am pleased you mention Bale in this though. I found it infuriating that he dived every other game last season and nobody mentioned it! It got no press coverage in the papers or on MOTD. I think Bale is the single worst player for diving in the EPL right now, maybe worst ever.

  7. enigma on October 8th, 2012 11:24 am

    What is this rubbish you have written? Don’t you know British players don’t dive? Only foreigners do like Eduardo,Suarez etc unlike Young, Bale, Welbeck, Rooney, Gerrad, you know what I mean

  8. jycpiccard on October 8th, 2012 11:29 am

    Brilliant in its simplicity! And all this time, people were thinking melanine and accents were a factor.

  9. Arkadiy on October 8th, 2012 11:42 am

    Many a true word was spoken in jest . . .

  10. UmBongo on October 8th, 2012 11:42 am

    Great post, I love the scale. Now spread the love friends!

    http://i.minus.com/iI04qBVyEBQp2.gif

    I’ve had Spudders claim that it looks bad, but when you take as many knocks as he doessss blaahbluubuuuullshit…

  11. Ant1_D on October 8th, 2012 12:49 pm

    Quality, the FA should employ this theory for retrosprective punishment of cheats.

  12. 037 on October 8th, 2012 1:35 pm

    You should get a Nobel prize for this formula!!

  13. Tom on October 8th, 2012 3:24 pm

    This is as a ground breaking formula as E = mc square , however for people who are mathematically challenged there is a simpler way of telling when a dive is a dive. When a player in question is on your team , then it’s never a dive but if he plays for a rival club , then it’s always a dive. I hope this clears it out for all of you fair play minded fans but if it doesn’t , check with Ferguson who seems to be the authority on the subject.

  14. Goona Gal on October 8th, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ MH, your guide definitely explains a lot, as Bale should be lambasted just as much as Suarez.

  15. gooner4life on October 8th, 2012 6:29 pm

    whoaaaaaaaaaaa….must give give you credit for observant mind like yours MH….who would have though diver’s place of birth make such a difference…lol..as for bale, one should make video highlighting his career high as diving B^&*t….

  16. Big Al, Koh Samui, Thailand on October 9th, 2012 8:26 am

    Top of wardrobe to bed.

  17. Dubzie on October 9th, 2012 8:38 am

    BAHAHAHA!! Brilliant.

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